On Monday evening, NBC News aired an exclusive interview with Julie Swetnick, the third woman to come forward with allegations of sexual assault against Judge Brett Kavanaugh. In the interview, Swetnick claimed she saw Kavanaugh act inappropriately at several parties in the 1980s, but NBC News was unable to independently corroborate Swetnick’s allegations.
Several things Swetnick said contradicted the claims she made in a sworn affidavit to a judge under penalty of perjury.
In the affidavit, Swetnick claimed to have attended “well over ten house parties” between 1981 and 1983 where Kavanagh and his classmate Mark Judge were present. She said she “became aware of efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh, and others to ‘spike’ the ‘punch'” to drug girls and sexually abuse them. She also claimed to be a witness to and victim of gang rapes in which Kavanaugh and others would line up outside rooms in a “train” of boys to take turns raping inebriated girls.
In the NBC interview, Swetnick walked back her allegation that Kavanaugh spiked the punch, claiming instead that she saw him near the punch bowl.
“I saw him giving red Solo cups to quite a few girls,” said Swetnick. “I saw him around the punch, I won’t say bowls, or the punch containers. I don’t know what he did, but I saw him by them.”
She also changed the details regarding the “train” of boys lined up to rape women. In the interview, she said that instead of lining up to wait their turn to rape, the boys were huddled near the doorways laughing.
“I would see boys standing outside of rooms, congregated together, sort of like a gauntlet,” she said. “I would see them laughing.”
NBC News’ Kate Snow asked Swetnick if she saw the boys standing in lines.
“Not line, but definitely huddled by doors,” Swetnick replied, contradicting her affidavit.
Additionally, Swetnick could not say specifically that Kavanaugh was one of the people she claims sexually assaulted her.
In her affidavit, Swetnick claimed she was “aware of witnesses that can attest to the truthfulness” of each of her claims. Swetnick provided the names of four friends who she said went to the parties with her. Of those alleged witnesses, one is dead, two did not respond to NBC News’ request for comment, and a fourth said he didn’t remember Swetnick and didn’t think he’d socialized with her.
The inconsistencies between Swetnick’s interview and her sworn affidavit add to concerns raised about her credibility following recent reports of unsubstantiated sexual misconduct claims allegedly made by Swetnick in the workplace of a previous employer. An ex-boyfriend of Swetnick’s also filed a restraining order against her, claiming she had threatened him and his family after they broke up. He now says she is “not credible at all.”
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Chris Pandolfo is a staff writer and type-shouter for Conservative Review. He holds a B.A. in politics and economics from Hillsdale College. His interests are conservative political philosophy, the American founding, and progressive rock. Follow him on Twitter for doom-saying and great album recommendations @ChrisCPandolfo.
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