'Amateur hour': The Nancy Guthrie kidnapping case through the eyes of a security expert



Though the search is entering its 17th day for “Today” anchor Savannah Guthrie’s kidnapped mother, Nancy Guthrie, Spencer Coursen, founder and CEO of the Coursen Security Group and author of “The Safety Trap,” believes that officials are dealing with amateurs.

“What we do know is that she’s missing. What we do know is that there has been no proof of life. And after that, we really cannot verify much more because of the information flow,” Coursen tells Stu.

“But until there is proof of life, a lot of what we are seeing should be treated more as noise and less as signal,” he adds.

And in the recent door-camera video footage released of the alleged kidnappers, Coursen tells Stu that it looks like “amateur hour.”


“Professional kidnappers control communication. They control their environment. Amateurs engage in chaos. And what I am seeing looks more and more like that of chaos than that of control,” Coursen explains.

Stu points out that at one point in the recently released footage, it appears the kidnappers are “trying to block the ring cam with plants.”

“Exactly. If you’re a professional, you have done research and planning up until that point, and then you either know that there’s a Ring camera or a Nest camera or Google camera or some kind of security deterrent, and you either go in the back door where there isn’t one, or you walk up with a spray can,” he says.

“What you don’t do is walk up and go, ‘Oh, camera. Oh, what do I do?’” he continues.

“Professionals conduct an orchestra. Amateurs bang drums.”

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Veteran Spencer Coursen delivers a POWERFUL message about mental health



Veteran Spencer Coursen joined "Stu Does America" Friday and brought with him a simple but powerful message about mental health.

In this clip, Stu asked Spencer for ways Americans can initiate conversations with veterans who might be silently suffering from depression and/or PTSD.

"I don't want anyone to think they are alone," Spencer replied, adding that a "simple act of kindness can go a very long way."

Spencer noted that sometimes the No. 1 reason someone doesn't kill themself is that someone reached out to them and did something nice.

"There are 22 veteran suicides a day ... the more people are engaged and reaching out and calling to check on each other, that is one less person who is looking for a solution in the bottom of a bottle and one less person looking for a solution in the barrel of a gun," Spencer said.

Catch the full interview in the clip below. Can't watch? Download the podcast here.


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