Elites label Joe Rogan 'far right' to censor free thinkers
The left will do anything to redefine terms like “extreme,” “misinformation,” and “far right” to include anyone who disagrees with the left.
Even more moderate voices like Douglas Murray and Joe Rogan are now being forced into these categories — and the left is concerned about silencing them.
“There’s no way anyone on earth is going to suppress or silence me,” Murray tells Glenn Beck, “but I do think it’s extraordinary the confidence that certain people have that they can suppress those of us who say things which I think are not only popular, but true.”
One of the suggested ideas for silencing dissenting voices is going after banks and the platforms they use.
“There’s going to come a time where they are going to build a digital ghetto,” Glenn tells Murray, who agrees.
“There’s very particular moves that they’re doing to make that,” Murray says. “One is this use of the term ‘far right,’ which alarms me enormously.”
This alarms him because “they’re trying to make public opinion be deemed ‘far right.’”
“Most people in the United States and the United Kingdom are deeply concerned about illegal migration, but once you say ‘concern about illegal migration is far right,’ therefore, the majority of the public are called ‘far right,’” Murray warns.
To hear the full conversation, check out the clip below.
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Douglas Murray says something that keeps even Piers Morgan quiet
It’s a rare day when Piers Morgan lets someone else have the microphone.
But that’s exactly what happened when British author and political commentator Douglas Murray went on a justified tirade about the inexplicable tolerance for pro-Hamas, pro-terrorism rallies occurring in Britain.
“As for the actual marches, look, I’m afraid the rules on this are very, very clear – you are not allowed to glorify terror or call for terror on the streets of Britain, and that existed before the 2006 Terrorism Act banned glorification, and it certainly exists now,” he told Morgan.
“If you stand on the streets of London calling for jihad, you are calling for terror, and that is actually a place where free speech is at its limit and is no longer permissible,” he continued.
At this point, Morgan attempted to interject, but Murray had more to say.
“Let me finish one other case,” he said, silencing Morgan. “You’re not allowed to stand on the streets of London and call for the murder of Jews or any other minority, and yet people have been getting away with this, and are the police arresting people? No, no they’re not.”
“Hundreds of thousands of people are out on the street who have been misinformed, and the education system and the cultural attaché has completely failed them so that they think up is down and good guys are bad guys, and they're celebrating this medieval barbarism,” says Dave Rubin, echoing Murray’s words.
“When you say ‘river to the sea,’ it is calling for genocide. When you target Jewish businesses or you go to specifically places where you know Jews or Israelis are, what should a liberal society do at that point? That is the precarious spot that we are at right now,” he laments.
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Douglas Murray suggests Hamas supporters should be treated 'like ISIS supporters': 'You should be deported'
British author Douglas Murray told an audience in London, England, earlier this week — then reiterated in a related piece for the Spectator Thursday — that Western nations should tolerate neither violent rhetoric against Jews nor open declarations of support for Hamas, the terrorist organization that has in recent days massacred over 1,300 Israelis and at least 27 Americans.
While there are already laws on the books to deal with incitements to violence and support for terrorist organizations, Murray, the founder of the Center for Social Cohesion, thinks jail time is not enough. Instead, he has recommended that his country, home to at least 6.1 million non-citizens, exile for the guilty parties.
While Israel sees to its defense, Murray suggested that "what we can do here in Britain is to keep our own house in order. And our own house in Britain is in disarray. It is not acceptable. It should not be acceptable that the Jewish community among all the communities of this country, in this diverse country, should be the one community expected to accept with equanimity those who cheer on the murder of Jews and those who support the murder of Jews."
In the wake of the terror attacks waged by Hamas on Israel over the weekend, pro-Palestine protests cropped up across the Western world on the streets and online. In many cases, where pro-Palestinian calls for "resistance" went, anti-Semitic and pro-Hamas sentiments followed.
Hundreds of pro-Palestinian protesters took part Sunday in a New York City rally organized by the Democratic Socialists of America, which saw the Israel flag burned, a swastika flashed, and signs raised that read "any means necessary" and "resistance is justified," reported the New York Post.
The Indianapolis Star indicated that Palestinian protestors chanted Thursday night, "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free."
This chant was also popular at the anti-Israel rally in Toronto, Ontario, following the Hamas terror attacks.
British Home Secretary Suella Braverman, who has encountered the same chant across the Atlantic, suggested it "should be understood as an expression of a violent desire to see Israel erased from the world," reported the Guardian.
Protesters on the steps of the Sydney Opera House in Australia reportedly chanted "gas the Jews."
London, where at least 22% of the population are non-citizens, was no exception.
In the Spectator, Murray noted, "Within hours of the slaughter, people in London were driving around flying Palestinian flags and blaring their horns in celebration of the massacre. In Manchester the president of the local 'Friends of Palestine,' Dana Abuqamar, told Sky News, 'We’re really full of joy, full of pride at what has happened.' At a Free Palestine rally in Brighton one speaker who claimed she was a Palestinian said: 'Yesterday was a victory.' She described the massacres in Israel as 'so beautiful and inspiring to see.'"
"These people were not protesting against the Israeli counter-measures. They hadn't even had any counter-measures. They were protesting because Jews by the hundreds had been slaughtered in Israel and they wanted to wound us more," Murray told the London crowd.
"If you stand in Britain with the Hamas flag, you should not be allowed to be free in Britain. You should have your citizenship withdrawn. You should have your passport withdrawn. You should be deported," continued Murray.
Britain, like the United States and Europe, has long recognized Hamas as a terrorist organization. Accordingly, those found supporting or inviting support to the group can be jailed under the Terrorism Act for up to 14 years.
Whereas flying the Palestinian flag remains lawful, flying the Hamas flag is a criminal offense in the U.K., as one 22-year-old woman discovered Sunday in Brighton, England, reported France24.
Braverman told chief police constables in a letter early this week that they should clamp down on flags, songs, and other efforts to intimidate members of the Jewish community. Just last month, she noted that "uncontrolled immigration, inadequate integration, and a misguided dogma of multiculturalism have proven a toxic combination" for the West.
"It is Britain that has harbored Iranian Revolutionaries, Hamas supporters and others for decades. It is Britain who in the name of liberal democracy and 'tolerance' have given these people rights they would never give us in return," Murray wrote. "It is Britain who have been played for fools. Hamas is a proscribed terror organisation in this country. Expressing support for Hamas is expressing support for a terrorist group — a crime in the UK."
The author doubled down on his previous comments, challenging the British prime minister and home secretary to "[t]reat these people as we did the supporters of ISIS. Take their passports, strip their citizenship, forcibly remove them from this country. Britain and the West writ large neither want nor need them. They can take their chances in Gaza. The 'peace rave' is over."
It is against international law for a government to render a person stateless, but the U.K. has on a number of occasions made do. For instance, it managed to give an ISIS terrorist with dual citizenship the boot, making him once again Canada's problem.
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Hospital threatens to stop CANCER TREATMENT when patient questions trans flag
At a hospital in Portland, Oregon, a city Rita Panahi calls “the looniest left city known to modern man,” a woman’s cancer treatment has been threatened because she dared to “[question] the need for a trans flag.”
This patient was “first bullied by those meant to be treating her” and then “asked to submit to re-education, and when she refused, she was told she can no longer receive cancer treatment at Oregon Health and Science University,” Rita tells Douglas Murray.
“You can just feel the love and tolerance,” she mocks.
“You wonder where the adults all went in a city like Portland that was quite a proud city, quite a successful city in the past,” says Douglas.
“How could you get your priorities so out of order that a woman with cancer is treated like this for this ridiculous, stupid, ugly flag about a total fad?” he rants.
Rita agrees, adding, “Their moral compass appears to be completely warped.”
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Douglas Murray drops bombshells during discussion of Western reparations and heirloom grievances: 'Some of us are simply a bit bored of hearing people ripping at closed wounds'
Spectator columnist and author Douglas Murray recently dropped brass tacks on his fellow "Piers Morgan Uncensored" panelists, denouncing the ongoing efforts by opportunistic ideologues to simultaneously extort Western nations over the crimes of the long dead and ignore the cold reality of universal guilt.
Murray stressed that people no longer want to be enmired in divisive and destabilizing debates about historically remote grievances, particularly not when victimhood can invoked by anybody willing to look back far enough.
"Some of us are simply a bit bored of hearing people ripping at closed wounds and then crying about their hurt or their presumed hurt, because everybody could do this," said Murray. "Where would you end if you did that? The answer is that you couldn't end, because nobody is alive who has actually suffered the hurt, and nobody is alive who did the wrong."
"If we were to play this fairly, we would at least look at all of the countries around the world that engaged in the slave trade who are simply not interested in any form of reparations," continued Murray.
The Ottoman Empire, which has been whittled down to the Republic of Turkey, was among the guilty parties Murray cited as presently having no interest in assuming blame or responsibility for its history of violence, genocide, and slavery.
He also cited "all the Arab countries who not just traded far more slaves and across the Atlantic but castrated all the men so that there wouldn't be any more African slaves after them. They worked them to the bone. I see no interest across Africa in paying reparations for selling their brother and sister Africans into slavery or for working them to the bone to the present day. ... There is slavery across Africa today. In fact, there are more slaves in the world today than there were at the height of the transatlantic slave trade."
According to a September 2022 U.N. report, nearly "50 million people were living in modern slavery: 28 million in forced labour and 22 million in forced marriages."
Extra to shared guilt, Murray noted that those presently fitted up as antagonists in today's "grievance competition" could similarly claim victimhood, as "a million Europeans were stolen by North Africans over the course of decades of the North African Barbary pirate slave trade."
The BBC indicated that in the first half of the 1600s, "Barbary corsairs — pirates from the Barbary Coast of North Africa, authorised by their governments to attack the shipping of Christian countries — ranged all around Britain's shores. In their lanteen-rigged xebecs (a type of ship) and oared galleys, they grabbed ships and sailors, and sold the sailors into slavery."
Between 1530 and 1780, as many as 1,250,000 Christian slaves were reportedly taken and held in Tripoli, Tunis, and various Moroccan towns, but predominantly in Algiers.
Murray's comments on Morgan's show echo those made in his 2022 book, "The War on the West," wherein he defended America and the rest of the Western world from various blood libels and acontextual accusations.
"The forgotten history of slavery, like colonialism, is not the history of what the West got wrong but the history of what the West got right," he wrote, noting that long after the English-speaking world banned slavery, various nations continued trafficking in human beings — including Middle Eastern and African nations where the slave trade survives today.
On the issue of reparations, Murray highlighted how the West's abolition of slavery and its global efforts to enforce that decision were not without significant cost, both in terms of blood and gold.
Just in the case of British abolitionism, "Between 1808 and 1860, the West Africa Squadron captured 1,600 slave ships and freed 150,000 African slaves. They also lost a huge number of personnel themselves. More than 1,500 men of the Royal Navy were killed in action during this period."
Even if equivalencies could be struck and balances owed properly determined, Murray pointed out the grievance competition would still have no end.
"If America were to find a way to pay reparations today, why would the same demands not rearise two centuries later, as they have done in relation to Britain? If the great reparations machine were to pour out money, why should it be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity?" he asked.
"We appear to be in the process of killing the goose that has laid some very golden eggs," Murray suggested in his book.
On Piers Morgan's show, he suggested that the very nations responsible for those "golden eggs" are the same "put through this struggle session."
"Britain, like America and France, are the most desired destinations for migrants worldwide and have been for centuries," he added. "It's not because we're racist but because we're better. It's because we're good. It's because when we see racism, we actually call it out and recognize it as a sin. Try finding that across Africa. Try finding that across the Middle East or in China. Nobody would hear."
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3 gay men rail against what LGBTQ has become
When three gay men collectively agree that the LGBTQ+ agenda has evolved into something “freaking dangerous,” you know there’s a real problem to contend with.
Dave Rubin is joined by Peter Lloyd and Douglas Murray to rehash the madness that was this year’s Pride Month, especially the disturbing “we’re coming for your children” chant at New York’s Pride parade.
This “is starting to become personal to me,” Rubin says. “Peter, how do we separate from the lunatics?” he asks.
“For starters, we need to return our membership cards, because I no longer want to be part of this group,” he answers.
Lloyd does find it encouraging, however, that “more and more people who are gay, who are lesbian or bisexual, [are] rejecting this narrative that is so extreme.”
He also addresses transgenderism, which “is a completely different part of the human experience” and, in his opinion, “has never [had] anything to do with sexuality” at all.
Lloyd also expresses that it’s important for people like himself, Rubin, and Douglas to speak up about these issues in order to “moderate and modulate the narrative.”
Douglas agrees, saying he has no desire to identify with the current LGBTQ+ community – “a bunch of very angry misfits,” he calls them.
He theorizes that the controversial community is composed of many people who call themselves “queer” but who are “actually straight … anarchists” with “no connection to gay men or gay women" whatsoever.
These people, Douglas explains, “believe that they need to draw attention to themselves and bring down the patriarchy,” which “has nothing to do with being gay.”
“Just live your life,” Rubin says. That’s “what I thought a just movement for equality was all about.”
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'Don't trust mainstream media': Conservative author Douglas Murray and journalist Matt Taibbi win over hostile crowd, demolish media defenders in fierce debate
A fiery, high-profile debate took an unexpected turn in Toronto earlier this week when a duo arguing for the resolution, "Don’t trust mainstream media," not only trounced the opposition but also won over a crowd decidedly against them.
A condemnation fit to print
Matt Taibbi, the investigative reporter summarizing Friday's explosive release of the "Twitter Files," joined forces with British conservative author Douglas Murray in Toronto to face off with author Malcolm Gladwell and New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg in the semi-annual Munk Debates.
As in previous Munk Debates, the audience voted both before and after the debaters duked it out.
Before Wednesday's "Mainstream Media" debate, 52% of attendees and listeners voted against distrusting the media while 48% supported the resolution to distrust the mainstream media. Of those who participated in the pre-vote, 82% indicated they were amenable to be swayed in either direction.
After the debate, Taibbi and Murray secured a vote gain of 39%. The final result, in favor of the resolution "Don’t trust mainstream media" was 67% to 33%.
The National Review reported that Taibbi and Murray won by the largest margin ever recorded at a Munk Debate.
The winning arguments
Murray made sure to note how the Canadian mainstream media not only is funded by the state but also worked hand in glove with the Justin Trudeau government, echoing the prime minister's smears of the peaceful Freedom Convoy protesters.
"Your prime minister decided in advance that these people ... were Nazis, they were white supremacists, they were anti-Semites, they were probably homophobes, they were misogynists, they were probably transphobes. ... He did all the things you do in the modern political age if you want to just defenestrate somebody who's awkward to you," said Murray.
Murray argued that "at such a time, what would the mainstream media do? It would question it. It would question it. The Canadian mainstream media did not. The Canadian mainstream media acted as an 'amen chorus' of the Canadian government."
Extra to listing a number of apparent falsehoods the Canadian media peddled during the pandemic, Murray underscored how the Canadian media's government funding all but guaranteed its deference and justified citizens' distrust.
\u201cWOW!\ud83d\udd25 You will NEVER hear a more eloquent takedown of Canadian legacy media than this.\u201d— Canada Proud (@Canada Proud) 1669907692
Murray later noted that to trust the mainstream media would ultimately require individuals to conclude they don't need other information sources. He added that the corporate media is necessarily selective with the stories they report on or manufacture, and that this would result in a kind of myopia.
The Briton also seized upon an anecdote Gladwell shared about being rescued by a mainstream news reporter after a blogger defamed him. Murray pointed out that while a best-selling author can expect such treatment, an ordinary citizen might not be able to trust that the mainstream media would similarly offer such assistance. Murray intimated that everyday Americans can sometimes rely upon non-mainstream citizen journalists and bloggers that Gladwell derided in the debate.
Taibbi, an award-winning journalist, supported the resolution with a sense of grief, stating in his opening remarks, "I grew up in the press. My father was a reporter. My stepmother was a reporter. My godparents were reporters. Every adult I knew growing up seemed to be in media."
Taibbi noted that while loving the news business and having it in his bones, he mourns for it: "It's destroyed itself."
The job of the mainstream media now, according to Taibbi, isn't to "call things as we see them and leave the rest up to you" but instead to "sell narrative, as part of a new business that's increasingly indifferent to fact."
As Murray had suggested in his remarks, Taibbi claimed "reporters get too cozy with politicians and as a result report information either without attribution at all or sourced to unnamed officials or 'people familiar with the matter.'"
Although "no fan of Donald Trump," Taibbi underlined how Goldberg's New York Times and other mainstream publications appear "unashamed" for having peddled falsehoods and dubious narratives about the former president and others.
"Until we get back to the basics, we don't deserve to be trusted. And we won't be," concluded Taibbi.
The losers' rhetoric
Goldberg tried to differentiate between the public's perception of the media and the behind-the-doors reality in news rooms.
She contended that the mainstream media always has been interested in unexpected or counterintuitive stories and prioritized these over their political affiliations and liberal ideologies.
Gladwell emphasized in the debate that "trust is not about content. Trust is about process."
The non-mainstream media cannot allegedly adhere to a "strict set of professional norms," which Gladwell indicated the mainstream media otherwise tends to abide by.
Gladwell also reportedly scoffed when his opponents referenced the media's overwhelming complicity in deriding the Hunter Biden laptop story and intimated that Taibbi's and Murray's arguments against trusting the media "resemble the kind of classic structure of a conspiracy theory."
In Gladwell's debater bio, the "Revisionist History" podcast host is quoted as saying, "A newspaper is not merely a monopoly protected by the printing press...there are a separate set of skills that are difficult to acquire and worthy of preservation. You can't start blogging at 23 and call yourself a journalist."
This technocratic sense that only a well-trained media elite ought to be regarded and respected as arbiters of the truth is a sentiment, evident in his argument, that elements of the mainstream media have similarly expressed.
For instance, after claiming that everyday Americans could not read the Wikileaks reports, disgraced former CNN host Chris Cuomo said in 2016 that "everything you learn about this, you're learning from us."
Elon Musk called out this kind of thinking in a Nov. 6 tweet in which he denounced the problem of journalists thinking "they are the only source of legitimate information. That's the big lie."
\u201c@kylegrantham You represent the problem: journalists who think they are the only source of legitimate information. That\u2019s the big lie.\u201d— \ud835\udc0a\ud835\udc32\ud835\udc25\ud835\udc1e \ud835\udc06\ud835\udc2b\ud835\udc1a\ud835\udc27\ud835\udc2d\ud835\udc21\ud835\udc1a\ud835\udc26 (@\ud835\udc0a\ud835\udc32\ud835\udc25\ud835\udc1e \ud835\udc06\ud835\udc2b\ud835\udc1a\ud835\udc27\ud835\udc2d\ud835\udc21\ud835\udc1a\ud835\udc26) 1667783842
An October Gallup poll revealed that only 34% of Americans trust the mass media to report the news "fully, accurately and fairly," 28% of U.S. adults have little confidence in newspapers, TV, and radio news, and 38% have none at all.
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