Glyphosate 101: What you need to know about America’s most popular pesticide



Glyphosate is a word that’s beginning to slip into public consciousness as the MAHA movement continues gaining momentum. For those unfamiliar with the term, glyphosate is a chemical used in weed killers, like Roundup, which is the most popular herbicide in the United States. Since its development in 1970, we’ve been told it’s safe for humans and the environment by its manufacturers and by several regulatory agencies.

But surprise, surprise — now that we’re in an era of being honest about the additives and chemicals involved in our food production, it turns out that glyphosate is carcinogenic.

To get the scoop on this harmful chemical, Nicole Shanahan, BlazeTV host of “Back to the People,” invited Harvard-educated agricultural economist Dr. Chuck Benbrook, who’s spent his entire career fighting against the use of pesticides, to the show.

“The evidence is strongest linking exposure to glyphosate and glyphosate-based herbicides … with non-Hodgkin lymphoma” — a type of cancer that attacks the lymphatic system, disrupting the body's ability to fight infections, says Dr. Benbrook. However, “there's a new study coming out in just a matter of days linking glyphosate and glyphosate-based herbicides to leukemia.”

Glyphosate, he explains, “[disrupts] DNA replication in people's bone marrow as their new blood cells are being formed,” which is exactly how “non-Hodgkin lymphoma and leukemia start.”

Despite the mounting evidence proving glyphosate is carcinogenic, farmers are highly motivated to protect it from stricter regulations and potential banning. Chemical pesticides, like glyphosate, are “very seductive for farmers,” as they are “a simple solution to dealing with weeds or insects or plant diseases,” says Dr. Benbrook.

Farmers’ “overreliance” on pest and weed killers has created a booming industry that pesticide companies will fiercely guard. Just like vaccine companies gained legal protection from lawsuits for vaccine injuries through the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, “the pesticide industry is working very hard to to try to change federal and state laws so that pesticide companies can't be sued in state court over harms from pesticides,” say Dr. Benbrook.

Eating organically produced food seems like a logical option to avoid the harms of glyphosate, as the USDA National Organic Program prohibits the use of synthetic pesticides, including glyphosate, in organic farming.

Unfortunately, it’s not that simple.

“I'm hearing from a lot of parents who are on all-organic diets [and] eat super clean, and their family members have really high levels of glyphosate coming back in their urine analysis,” says Nicole.

“It’s very difficult to avoid glyphosate completely through the American diet,” says Dr. Benbrook, noting that restaurant food, the water supply, and the very air we breathe can be contaminated with glyphosate. It “is so ubiquitous in the environment and in the food supply.”

To hear more of Nicole and Dr. Benbrook’s conversation on glyphosate, as well as genetically modified food and sustainable food production, watch the episode above.

Calculated chaos: The legacy of MKUltra



Tom O’Neill is the author of “Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties,” which pulls the curtain back on the mysterious government-funded MKUltra experiments that left their human guinea pigs insane and ultimately ruined lives.

And O’Neill, who investigated the mind-numbing experiments for 20 years, found that many of them were on children.

“Here’s what I know the CIA did do with children in the 50s and at least through the early to mid-60s, although I don’t think you would be a candidate for this — they looked for kids who were completely orphaned or had parents that were disinterested,” O’Neill tells BlazeTV host Nicole Shanahan on “Back to the People.”

“If the kids got in trouble, they were taken into juvenile detention centers. This is exactly what happened to Manson," he continues, "and they were doing research using drugs and hypnosis.”


According to O’Neill, the CIA’s goal was to learn “which kids were more suggestible to persuasion, which kids could be convinced of something, which kids were more resistant to that,” and if it was genetic.

But it wasn’t just the low-income families whose children ended up as government experiments.

“Allen Dulles put his daughter into MKUltra research laboratories because she was a difficult child, and he wanted to see if they could change her behavior using drugs — you know, completely rewire her brain,” O’Neill explains. “It was shocking how inhumane he was.”

“In the way that you and I, I think, are obsessed about trying to figure out the truth,” Shanahan responds, “they’re obsessed with the power to use these techniques and substances, in some cases, to influence behavior, to influence society.”

“It’s scary that they even had these objectives,” O’Neill agrees. “They had mass conversion projects where they wanted to learn how to convert audiences, crowds, and, you know, other people have done studies of that suggestibility with music and lyrics and concerts.”

“And of course, that’s what Manson learned how to do, was to control groups of people and get them to act uniformly, obediently, and do whatever he said — including, by the end of it all, killing strangers without questioning who they are or why,” he continues.

Some of those brainwashed by the technique to act out in ways they wouldn’t otherwise have also been reported to have no memory of what they’ve done.

“There’s accounts in your book of individuals who do these horrific things and then have no memory of it,” Shanahan states.

According to O’Neill, there was a technique to “remove true memories in human beings without their knowledge and replace them with false memories, which would be permanent.”

This involved LSD and hypnosis, which O’Neill explains worked well on those who were more susceptible to hypnosis — just like how some people have life-changing experiences on LSD, while others don’t.

“Some people had a psychedelic experience during their first LSD trip that changed them permanently, where other people would just do LSD and have a wild, intense experience but then be the person they were before,” he tells Shanahan.

“That was the whole reason MKUltra was created. I mean, a person’s memory is among the most precious things we have, and if someone can put a false memory in our head without us knowing, that takes away your whole life prior,” he adds.

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‘Lost in medical history’: The dark side of surrogacy and IVF



While surrogacy is largely used for parents who are struggling with infertility, there are other reasons one might use a surrogate — and they border on the dark.

Perinatal nurse Kallie Fell, who started her professional career as a scientist in the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, is deeply concerned with the ethics of surrogacy, as well as IVF.

She warns that it’s not just sunshine and rainbows and that the reasons one might hire a surrogate can get a little creepy.

“A recent study that looked at data from prior to 2020 saw that most of these transactions were above 32, 34% from independent parents outside of the United States, predominantly from Asia, predominantly male, and predominantly over the age of 40,” Fell explains.


“Alarm bells should be going off,” she continues. “Why are we letting women in the United States sell or rent their wombs to foreign nationals so that those children can then be sent or taken overseas to men over 40?”

And it’s not just single men to look out for.

“As a labor and delivery nurse in San Francisco, I’ve had women — not surrogacy cases, but women from Asia — that come over to San Francisco and deliver their babies so that they can have a baby that has United States citizenship,” Fell tells Shanahan.

“And so, the same thing is true of couples, or single people, men or women, that might purchase a child from a surrogate in the United States, that those children are United States citizens,” she continues.

“And that’s their own path to citizenship,” Shanahan chimes in, noting that there are no laws regulating this.

Gay couples are another demographic that tends to use both surrogates and IVF to have children and start their own families.

“Two men who are wanting to have a family, they’ll often use an egg donor as well as a surrogate mother,” Fell explains. “They’ll use two separate women, so then there’s no claim who really is the mother. It’s on purpose that this is done.”

“So, they’ll use an egg donor, and so this woman is healthy,” she continues. “We’re going to put this really healthy young woman on high doses of medications and hormones to extract really as many eggs as they can from her. There are supposed guidelines for how many eggs they can extract, but in my conversations with egg donors, that’s not followed.”

According to Fell, some egg donors have had upwards of 50 or 60 eggs extracted.

“It’s going to affect each of these women differently, these drugs, but one of the risks is ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome, which can cause its own myriad of issues, including stroke, infertility,” Fell warns. “A lot of these cases aren’t reported. Women who are egg donors, once they give their eggs, they are, we like to say, ‘lost in medical history.’”

“We are born with all the eggs that we are ever going to have,” she continues, adding, “so there’s no studies on her fertility as she ages. There’s no studies on her risks of developing breast cancer or any other types of cancer for being put on hormones at such a young age.”

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Government cover-up or cosmic starship? UFO filmmaker unravels 1997 Phoenix Lights mystery



Documentary filmmaker and content creator Patrick James has garnered millions of views on his YouTube channel exploring conspiracy theories, ancient mysteries, and unexplained phenomena. The popularity of his podcast, “So Weird with Patrick James,” is a testament to humanity’s intrinsic proclivity for mystery and the supernatural. From secret government projects to Egypt’s many conundrums, James takes a broad, multidisciplinary approach, blending compelling storytelling with open-minded inquiry as he dives into the unknown.

On a recent episode of “Back to the People,” James joined Nicole Shanahan to discuss the chief of all conspiracy theories: UFOs.

Nicole’s theory about UFOs is that they are “government contractors that are flying drones around our airspace,” likely paid for by the “$2 trillion in unaccounted spending” revealed by the Department of Defense’s 2023 audit.

James then brings up the mystery of the Phoenix Lights — a series of unidentified lights observed in a triangular formation over Phoenix, Arizona, on March 13, 1997, by thousands of eyewitnesses. Months after the sightings, the U.S. military dismissed the lights as flares dropped during a training exercise, but this response failed to address several aspects of sightings, including the miles-wide craft that were seen passing silently over the city. In his documentary, James dug “as far as [he] was comfortable going” into the controversy.

“What makes you uncomfortable?” asks Nicole.

“What makes me uncomfortable is that this story itself has been gate kept for at least 25 years, and the gatekeepers are the people who are collecting and filtering all the information coming from the witnesses and the people who were collecting the photo and video evidence,” he says.

One of the people he interviewed for the documentary was image processing pioneer and UFO researcher Jim Dilettoso, the founder of Village Labs in Tempe, Arizona, where the Phoenix Lights evidence was stored. Jim played a significant role in analyzing the video and photographic evidence.

After their interview, Dilettoso “called [James] every day” for weeks, pleading with him to not pursue the story deeper, especially as it related to a story about “men in black” confiscating video evidence from Richard Curtis, an eyewitness.

“I caught Jim contradicting himself multiple times,” says James, noting that Dilettoso was clearly uneasy any time he “started touching the stove around the men in black or this Richard Curtis character,” who mysteriously “disappeared” without a trace after he claimed in a FOX10 News interview that men in black had confiscated his footage. He claimed men in black were not real, even though a phone call from 1997 records him claiming he was personally visited by three of them at Village Labs.

James believes Dilettoso is clearly hiding something.

As for the numerous impossibly large aircraft spotted on that strange night in Phoenix, he says, all evidence considered, “I don’t think this was man-made.”

From a ship with “bright orange ... lava lamp” bubbles and “rainbow mists” that supposedly inspired “love and gratitude” to black hole theories, James and Nicole’s conversation leads to many strange and fascinating places.

To hear it in full, watch the episode above.

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A teacher’s choice: Fired for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine



When COVID hit in 2020, New York City was one of the last places you’d have wanted to be if you valued your medical freedom.

Michael Kane, a public school special education teacher with over 13 years of experience, was employed in the city — before he was fired for refusing to take the experimental shot.

“I was fired for declining the shot, I’ve been suing ever since. Thank God for Bobby Kennedy and Children’s Health Defense. They picked up my lawsuits who are still suing today in a case called Kane vs. De Blasio, as well as New Yorkers for Religious Liberty vs. the City of New York and many, many, other cases,” Kane tells Nicole Shanahan on “Back to the People.”

Kane, who founded Teachers for Choice — which is a group of educators that opposes forced medical mandates — also very publicly left the teachers' union after seeing how weaponized it became during COVID.


“We were certainly pushed out and punished for having anything that wasn’t, you know, Faucian or dogmatic. You really needed to walk that line, so there’s definitely a target on me,” Kane explains, noting that while he doesn’t believe teachers' unions shouldn’t exist, “national and now international unions are a plague.”

And a plague that’s heavily infested with political corruption.

“Randi Weingarten and the head of the American Federation of Teachers went to the Ukraine on a mission. Why is the head of the teachers' union going to Ukraine? I’ll tell you why, because she’s really good friends with Joe and Jill Biden,” Kane tells Shanahan.

“That politicization is extremely, extremely dangerous,” he says. “I respect the institution of unions, but they’ve been horribly corrupted with politics that goes way beyond their membership, and when COVID came, it was clear they were not representing their members at all.”

“It ended up being Randi Weingarten going on ‘Meet the Press’ in August of 2021 and saying, ‘It’s time to mandate our members.’ And that was it. From that moment, then-Mayor Bill De Blasio did the mandate, because the truth is, Randy Weingarten’s more powerful than him,” Kane explains.

“So at the time, when things went down with COVID, I did leave the union, I saw no other option. I saw no one supporting us, and I led kind of a movement in New York City, at least at that time, that did that. And we got fired, and then we had to fight in the courts, and we lost our jobs, and we didn’t come back, and we’re still fighting in the courts,” he continues.

A year and a half later, Kane and around 60 other fired workers, mostly teachers, went to the union Labor Day rally in New York City — where they protested Weingarten.

“We chanted, ‘End all mandates, let us work,’ and we did that a couple of times, and all the rank and file cheered. All of them,” Kane recalls. “Randi ran away from me, she wouldn’t talk to me, but it forced her into a situation where she came on my show.”

“‘Here’s this dude, Mike Kane, that’s fired, and my members are cheering for him right now. That’s an issue,’” he continues. “Even if we didn’t have all the national cameras on it, that’s an issue internally for her.”

While Kane is proud of the major steps made toward a better system in New York City, he’s not convinced what goes on behind the scenes has been rectified quite yet.

“We’ll see what happens in the internal New York City politics,” he says.

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‘We can eat happiness, or we can eat stress and violence’: Regenerative farmer explains intersection of food, soil, and joy



If you’ve been hearing the term “regenerative farming” a lot lately, it’s because the method has soared in popularity in recent years, especially in the United States. From Big Food giants, including Walmart, Pepsi, and General Mills, to individuals seeking to produce their own food, the nation is steadily moving toward this sustainable system that addresses some of the biggest threats to both agriculture and people. By adopting this holistic approach, farmers can address soil degradation and biodiversity loss that harm their farms, while also reducing reliance on chemical fertilizers, animal hormones, and food additives that pose threats to people and animals.

On a recent episode of “Back to the People,” Nicole Shanahan interviewed author, farmer, and regenerative farming advocate Joel Salatin to get a better understanding of how this holistic system benefits everyone involved.

Salatin spent his early years on his parents’ farm in Venezuela. However, when their chickens, which were vastly healthier and more hygienic than the local farmers’ stock, began dominating the market, the community accused their family of “witchcraft and voodoo” and drove them out.

“So we fled the back door, and machine guns came in the front door,” he tells Nicole.

Their family came back to the United States and began Polyface Farms, a diversified, multispecies regenerative farm in Virginia, which Salatin still operates today.

Unfortunately, the persecution followed them home. Instead of superstitious locals, today Salatin faces threats from the “industrial agriculture system that views life from a mechanical standpoint.”

“I've been called a bioterrorist and a Typhoid Mary and a starvation advocate” because “we don't vaccinate; we don't medicate; we're using compost instead of chemical fertilizers; we're moving the animals around on the pasture instead of just leaving them in one field all the time; the chickens are outside where they can get fresh air and sunshine and exercise,” he explains.

He tells Nicole he’s embraced the moniker “the lunatic farmer.” If being a lunatic means you’re stewarding God’s creation well, the insult is actually a badge of honor.

“We are stewards of a niche of God's creation that is unbelievably beautiful, complex, relationally oriented, and symbiotic,” he says. “One of the problems in mainline industrial agriculture today, I think, is a general kind of underlying, almost unspoken philosophy that nature's against us and nature is a reluctant partner that I have to beat into submission and dominate.”

This “wrestling, contested kind of relationship” with nature, however, is unnecessary, and that’s what regenerative farming understands that Big Food and Big Ag don’t. When we try to control nature with chemicals, we’re causing problems not only in the environment but also in our own bodies.

“We are routinely ingesting things that are foreign to our microbiome,” says Salatin.

The billions of microbes in our stomachs and digestive tract, he explains, are essentially “first cousins” to the “biome in the soil, to the biata in the soil.”

“If you look at human skin and you look at soil and you do a cutaway side profile ... they almost look identical,” he explains. “What we're feeding our internal village of microbiomes needs to be something that they are familiar with, that they understand, and they don't understand Coca-Cola and Velveeta cheese.”

But it’s not just soil and humans who benefit from regenerative farming. Livestock fairs remarkably better, too. Emphasis on rotational grazing that mimics natural herd movements and using natural alternatives to antibiotics, hormones, and chemical dewormers results in healthier, happier animals.

“We've learned over the many years, especially from our gourmet chefs, that all of our meats cook about 15% to 20% faster than regular conventional factory-farm stuff,” says Salatin.

The disparity is likely due to differences in adrenaline levels.

“Most of the livestock in the U.S. live in very stressful environments, where their whole life they're drip, drip, drip, dripping adrenaline, which tightens everything up. Our animals are happy; they never secrete adrenaline,” Salatin explains.

“We can eat happiness, or we can eat stress and violence.”

To hear more about Salatin’s story and regenerative farming, watch the episode above.

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‘From the frying pan into the fire’: Geo-engineering climate fix turns catastrophic



Like transhumanism, artificial intelligence, and nanotechnology, geo-engineering is another one of man’s dangerous attempts to play God.

By manipulating Earth’s climate via scattering particles to block sunlight or sucking carbon from the air, it gambles with nature’s delicate balance, inviting consequences we can’t possibly predict.

Lead researcher and founder of GeoengineeringWatch.org Dane Wigington, however, has dedicated his life to exposing and halting covert climate engineering operations. On a recent episode of “Back to the People,” he told Nicole Shanahan the wild story of how he became one of the world's most vocal critics of geo-engineering — an insidious threat most know nothing about.

Many years ago, Wigington built an off-grid home powered by solar, wind, and hydro energy in a remote area near Lake Shasta in Northern California. Everything was going great; his home was even featured in a major renewable energy magazine, celebrating his expertise in sustainable living.

But one day, something changed: His solar panels began losing a huge amount of power. Given his professional background in solar energy, Wigington knew that the culprit couldn’t possibly be natural.

After extensive research, he found the answer in his rainwater: It had aluminum in it — toxic levels that rose dramatically over an 18-month period.

Aluminum, Wigington explained, “is abundant in the Earth's strata; it does not exist in free form naturally — period. If it's in free form, it's been mined and refined and dispersed.”

In other words, climate engineering programs, specifically in the field of solar radiation management, were likely spraying aluminum nanoparticles into the atmosphere to reflect sunlight and cool the planet, which is deeply problematic considering “aluminum is toxic to all life forms.”

The rainwater is “killing virtually all soil microbiome. ... Our forests are completely imploding, not just in Northern California — the entire North American West Coast and most places around the world, and they blame that on beetles or a pest,” says Wigington, but “that's a symptom of a sick, dead, dying tree and ecosystem.”

“We have too many agencies trying to protect their paychecks and pensions and not willing to tell the truth.”

And that truth is: Geo-engineering, which is marketed as a means of mitigating climate change, is actually causing it.

“It’s speeding up drying,” even though “the goal is to block out the sun to keep the land from heating,” echoes Nicole.

“That's exactly what's happening,” says Wigington. “Climate engineering under the stated goal of mitigating the thermal energy buildup of the planet is actually exacerbating it, making a bad situation worse — pushing us from the frying pan into the fire.”

To hear more of the conversation, including details about Wigington’s documentary “The Dimming” that exposes the dark underbelly of the geo-engineering world, watch the episode above.

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The cyborg future is coming: Lab-grown humans are being made NOW



Joe Allen is quite the jack of all trades. He’s an author, a researcher, an arena rigger, an editor for Steve Bannon’s "War Room," and one of the world’s foremost thought leaders in the intersection of AI, transhumanism, and spirituality.

It’s the latter role Nicole Shanahan is most interested in.

“What is your definition of transhumanism?” she asked him on a recent episode of “Back to the People.”

It’s “the drive or the quest to use science and technology to go beyond the human,” Allen said.

It’s a merging of human and machine, in other words, and while it sounds like dystopian fiction, the concept is entirely real, and it’s happening right now.

We don’t have cyborgs yet, but given the fact that transhumanism has snaked its way into the reproductive world, which is booming today thanks to America’s fertility crisis, it’s likely only a matter of time before they walk among us.

Nicole points to transhumanist companies that are currently manufacturing human eggs in a lab “without any input from a female ovary” and then fertilizing them with either “real sperm or synthetic sperm, which can also be grown.” In other words, pseudo-human beings are being created by machines in laboratories.

Trying to stop this, she says, is “impossible” — as is halting the development of organoids or the implantation of brain chips.

“That leaves us with the fact that the transhumanist cyborg machine human is going to exist,” she says frankly, calling it a new attempt at the age-old ploy to steal the human soul.

“Now is the time that we have this very narrow window to create a fork for the future of humanity,” she tells Allen.

As terrifying as sharing the world with transhumanist creations is, Allen says there are two pieces of good news: One, the “god-like” AI we’ve been told is coming down the pike is likely a “sales pitch” that overexaggerates the actual product. Yes, humans will regard these technologies as “digital deities,” and yes, “they [will] have real power,” but they likely aren’t as superhuman as we’ve been told.

Secondly, “if we believe that we are intended to be more human than machine, and if we believe that there are realms far beyond this one to which we're accountable, then we're going to fight for it, and it's going to be across the world,” says Allen.

“It’s going to be a massive fight,” but “you have to have faith in the human spirit, the human soul, and the God that is within and above and moving through it.”

To hear more of the conversation, watch the episode above.

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Is autism physiological? Why prescribing powerful psych meds likely isn’t the answer



Children as young as 6 months old can be diagnosed with autism, which is solely based on observational analysis, as there’s no medical test.

That's one of the many reasons why the way we’ve been taught to deal with autism as a society may need to be re-examined, and the former running mate of RFK Jr., Nicole Shanahan, is well aware of this.

“Here’s the thing: Most children diagnosed with autism — in fact, over 70% — also have what the American Academy of Pediatrics refers to as co-occurring medical conditions,” Shanahan explains.


These co-occurring medical conditions can include "gastrointestinal issues, sleep disorders, seizures or epilepsy, sensory sensitivities, developmental coordination challenges such as dyspraxia (which is commonly seen in stroke victims), and intellectual disabilities."

While the American Academy of Pediatrics emphasizes that it's important to identify and manage these co-occurring conditions, most children diagnosed as autistic don’t receive the care they need — because many of them are unable to communicate.

“Today, the autism community is dominated by behavioralists who are frequently not equipped at all to address the underlying medical needs of these children, and rather than looking deeper, the most common response is to prescribe powerful antipsychotic medications like Risperdal and Abilify,” Shanahan says.

“What if many of the behaviors we see in children with autism are actually the result of untreated medical issues like dysbiosis or metabolic dysfunction?” she asks, adding, “More and more physicians and families are stepping forward to say that autism is predominantly physiological, not psychological, and if that’s true, then we need to start by addressing the body, by treating the underlying medical conditions before we attempt to modify a child’s behavior.”

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Silicon Valley's 'demons': Transhumanists possessed by something 'anti-human'



One of the foremost thought leaders in AI and transhumanism is Joe Allen, who now serves as the transhumanism editor for "Bannon’s War Room" — and he warns that transhumanism isn’t exactly a thing of the future, but rather it’s happening right now.

Transhumanism is the merging of humans with machines, and in the present moment, that consists of billions of people obsessively checking their iPhones. That addiction does not bode well for mankind.

While Allen believes “the power is in the transhumanists' court,” Shanahan, who was deeply embedded in Silicon Valley for a long enough time to really immerse herself in it — believes there is still power in the natural.


“I’ve been surrounded by this world for 15 years now and was always kind of beloved,” Shanahan tells Allen. “Beloved because I was very organic, not augmented in any way. Maybe I used Botox for a few years to try it out, but I stopped all of that.”

“I really love natural human biology. I think it is incredibly beautiful. I think it actually makes an individual beautiful and desirable because there’s something innate in every living being. And I think that this is the piece of the future where there will be mass desire, and this is talked about in 'Mad Max 2,' but for fully organic earthly women,” she continues.

“That never goes away, and I’ve seen a preview of that, having lived in Silicon Valley for as long as I have. I’ve seen that preview. I’ve seen these very powerful men seek out the most organic female, a female that almost reminds them of Greek oracles. So, brilliant, connected to God, channeling information, visionary, but also physically pure,” she adds.

She’s noticed that these tech elites “spiral” and become “greedy” in search of these kinds of women, which Allen chimes in to call “crunchy harems.”

An example of this, Shanahan says, is the Burning Man festival.

“Burning Man is a simulation of that world, of that future, of these very powerful elite men going to Burning Man, and all of these young beautiful women going to Burning Man, and creating these miniature harems around these men. I mean, that’s what Burning Man has become, unfortunately,” she tells Allen.

“You’ve been around a lot of these guys,” Allen says. “I know every person’s different, but by and large, is it misguided goodwill at the heart of the tech elite transhuman dream, or is there a touch of malevolence, or is there deep malevolence?”

“A bit of their humanity is possessed by something very anti-human,” Shanahan answers, adding, “They’re so manipulative; they’re trained in humanity.”

While Shanahan admits she doesn’t “understand it all,” she does “see where the humanity is and what is interfering with that humanity.”

“And I don’t know precisely what that thing is. I know Christians have a word for it,” she continues.

“Demon sounds about right to me,” Allen adds.

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