Gavin McInnes is constantly trying to figure something out.

“What percentage is incompetence, and what percentage is some grand, globalist scheme?” he asks James Poulos on his new show "Zero Hour" of our political leaders and mass corporations.

"That’s what’s so disorienting," says Poulos, who doesn’t know either.

“The boundary between reality and fantasy or between what’s an op and what’s not is just so permeable,” he says.

“Are you stupid or evil? Because you’re ruining my country,” McInnes adds.

McInnes is now the host of the uncensored podcast "Get Off My Lawn," but his initial dive into the political world was much, much different.

McInnes took interest in politics after 9/11 and reading "Death of the West" by Pat Buchanan, during a time when liberals and conservatives still respected each other.

He co-founded the now leftist magazine Vice and worked with the entire spectrum of political beliefs.

“We weren’t enemies,” he says.

“We had various races of people wearing patriotic clothing and we were like, ‘We’re the new conservatives,'” he continues, “we’re, you know, isolationists and nationalists, and we love this country and that — no one freaked out about that — that would get you canceled today.”

As for the future of the conservative party, McInnes remains hopeful.

“As far as young people in the new right scene, I love Ashley Sinclair and Elijah Schaffer and Sav, and I think it’s a pretty exciting time,” he says.

McInnes believes that Trump has a chance at taking back the presidency despite the charge that has just been brought against him.

“This charge seems like a really big deal. I poo-pooed it at first, but the more I look into it, the bigger of a deal it seems,” McInnes concedes.

“But,” McInnes continues, “I think you can run the country from prison.”

“You can run cartels from prison. You can run sort of corrupt cops from prison. You can run a lot of stuff,” Poulos agrees.

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