Double standard no more? Clintons face Congress over Epstein subpoenas



The House of Representative’s Oversight Committee has formally brought articles against the Clintons for contempt of Congress, and BlazeTV host Liz Wheeler believes it’s what the Clintons deserve.

“If anyone’s in a position to know whether Jeffrey Epstein was, in fact, belonging to intelligence as is reported ... it would be the Clintons in a position to testify, and they defied that subpoena, which is a crime. It is a crime,” Wheeler says.

“The Clintons’ testimony is critical to understanding Epstein’s sex trafficking network and the ways he sought to curry favor and influence to shield himself from scrutiny. Their testimony may also inform how Congress can strengthen laws to better combat human trafficking,” Comer said.


“Since issuing the subpoenas, this committee has acted in good faith. We’ve offered flexibility on scheduling. The response we received was not cooperation, but defiance marked by repeated delays, excuses, and obstruction,” he continued, noting that the Clintons have claimed to have been treated “unfairly.”

Comer also pointed out that photographs, flight log records, wedding invitations, and other materials serve as evidence of the couple’s well-documented relationship with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

“Remember, to defy a congressional subpoena is a crime. When two Republicans committed this crime, [Steve] Bannon and Peter Navarro, what happened to them? [Steve] Bannon was sentenced to federal prison. Peter Navarro was sentenced to federal prison,” Wheeler comments.

“Why should Hillary Clinton be treated any differently? Why should there be a double standard of justice that holds Republicans to account when crimes are committed and lets Democrats off the hook?” she asks.

While some critics of the move against the Clintons are warning that this might open the floor for Democrats to target Republicans politically when they’re in power, Wheeler couldn’t disagree more.

“That’s nonsense. The Democrats have been targeting us already. We’ve spent the last decade being targeted by Democrats. It’s not going to suddenly give them permission and they’re going to start targeting us,” she says. “They already have.”

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Minnesota day-care exposé journalist strikes again — and part 2 names the 'hub' of the fraud wheel



Nick Shirley — the 23-year-old investigative journalist who exposed day-care fraud in Minnesota with a video that has now surpassed 140 million views — is back with part two.

“It's a whole other aspect to the fraud scheme,” says BlazeTV host Liz Wheeler, who invited Shirley to “The Liz Wheeler Show” to share his latest discoveries.

In the first video, Shirley exposed numerous Somali-run day-care centers in Minnesota as fraudulent operations. Despite receiving millions (or even billions overall) in taxpayer-funded government subsidies through programs like CCAP and Medicaid, these centers provided no actual child-care services. Footage captures Shirley visiting multiple empty facilities with locked doors, blacked-out windows, no visible children, and sketchy “staff members.”

In part two, which dropped last week, Shirley shines a light on non-emergency medical transportation companies in Minnesota, which he alleges are fraudulently billing the state and Medicaid for millions of dollars in rides and services that never actually occurred.

Liz plays a clip from part two in which Shirley and his partner, Minnesota native David Hoch, enter a Somali-run business called “Safari Transportation,” which is registered as a non-emergency medical transportation company. Except when they get inside, they find that it’s a money-wiring business.

These non-emergency medical transportation centers, Shirley explains, are the hub of the wheel of Minnesota fraud. The day-care centers, autism services, assisted living, and food assistance programs are the spokes of the wheel because “in order for these people to receive these services, they need to get moved to locations,” he says.

Shirley gives the example of an adult living at an assisted living center. If he or she needs to go to the doctor, a transportation service is needed. However, many of the transportation businesses in Minnesota are simply shell companies. They submit fake paperwork for services that were never provided while billing the state.

“Like how much money are we talking?” asks Liz.

“We estimated just doing like the national average. Like each NEMT averages around 20 vehicles per company. And then each ride, each trip is around $50, and each vehicle, if they're out doing the work, they're doing about 10 trips a day. So we estimated around like $8 million [per day],” says Nick.

This fraud, he explains, doesn't just rip off the Minnesota taxpayer. All Americans are affected because both “state money and federal money” is being used to reimburse these “transportation companies.”

“Their hands are in our pockets,” says Liz.

To watch the full interview, check out the episode above.

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WSJ piece claims Trump isn’t happy with Pam Bondi — divisive propaganda or based?



On January 12, the Wall Street Journal published an exclusive report claiming that President Trump is less than thrilled with Attorney General Pam Bondi.

According to the article, he has complained privately to aides repeatedly in recent weeks, describing Bondi as "weak" and "ineffective" at enforcing his agenda, specifically when it comes to the Epstein files, prosecuting people like former FBI Director James Comey and New York AG Letitia James, and pursuing the shadow figures who orchestrated Biden’s phony 2020 presidential victory.

This is music to many conservatives’ ears. From their perspective, MAGA has waited a year in vain for the heads of D.C.’s slimiest swamp creatures to roll, as was a campaign promise. To discover that Trump himself is perhaps also displeased with the DOJ’s lack of prosecutions is encouraging.

However the report is coming from a mainstream outlet, so a healthy degree of skepticism is necessary, says BlazeTV host Liz Wheeler.

Regardless she feels that the contents of the Wall Street Journal’s report are “very realistic” and “very plausible.”

“It seems like a summary of what you and I have experienced throughout the year,” she says.

According to the article, President Trump told the Wall Street Journal, “Pam is doing an excellent job. She's been my friend for many years. Tremendous progress is being made against radical left lunatics who are good at only one thing: cheating in elections and the crimes they commit.”

“All right, so how do we analyze this article?” asks Liz. “Is this true? Is President Trump finally growing tired of Attorney General Pam Bondi?”

While she acknowledges that “it is true that Pam Bondi has been loyal to President Trump for many years, and that makes the situation perhaps personally a little more awkward,” the reality is President Trump has to decide “whether Pam Bondi is an effective attorney general, not whether she's a loyal friend.”

And the facts don’t lie.

As early as February 2025, it was clear to Liz that Bondi “does not tell the truth to the American people” after she gave Liz and other conservative influencers those “infamous white Epstein binders” that contained no new information on the convicted child sex trafficker.

Bondi’s ineffectiveness has “become more obvious as the summer passed and the fall passed and the new year passed,” says Liz.

"Tulsi Gabbard handed Attorney General Pam Bondi on a silver platter a case against John Brennan and the Obama cronies that fabricated the intelligence community assessment to claim that Russia helped President Trump defeat Hillary Clinton ... and what accountability have they faced?” she asks.

“Trump's administration controls the Department of Justice. We should be seeing indictment after indictment after indictment. And yet what have we seen? We've seen nothing.”

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Hillary Clinton defies Epstein subpoena: Time for Trump to lock her up — for real this time



After being subpoenaed by the Republican-led House Oversight Committee to provide closed-door deposition testimony related to their past associations with Jeffrey Epstein and the federal government's handling of investigations into his horrific crimes, both Bill and Hillary Clinton failed to appear on their scheduled testimonies.

The former president and Secretary of State sent letters in advance stating that they would not appear, condemning the subpoenas as legally invalid and politically motivated.

Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) has since announced that the committee will proceed with contempt of Congress proceedings against both Clintons, with a committee vote planned for next week, potentially leading to a full House vote and referral to the Justice Department.

BlazeTV host Liz Wheeler says that this is President Trump’s second chance to do what he should’ve done a long time ago: Arrest Hillary Clinton.

“Bill and Hillary Clinton think they’re above the law. Well, in a sense, nothing else is new. They’ve thought they were above the law for a long time because sadly, quite tragically, they have been,” Liz says. “They’ve virtually never been held accountable for anything wrong that they have done, and so in a sense, who can blame them for thinking that they can get away flouting the law once again?”

She recalls that back in 2022, former Trump advisers Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro were both hit with two counts of criminal contempt of Congress and spent four months in federal prison as a result.

In their joint letter, the Clintons claimed executive privilege — the implied power of the U.S. president and executive branch officials to withhold certain confidential communications from Congress, courts, and the public. While this might go unchallenged for the former president, there’s no chance it’ll work for Hillary, Liz says.

“Who does Hillary Clinton think she is? Well, I know she thinks that she’s the president of the United States, but she’s not. She was the Secretary of State. She was a senator. She was a first lady. She’s now a private citizen. She’s exempt from nothing,” she says.

The list of crimes that should’ve already landed crooked Hillary behind bars is long: “She abused her position of power, especially when she was Secretary of State, to enrich herself and her husband. She engaged in pay-to-play quid pro quos, where she sold access to herself and to the vice president, even to the president.”

“And when she was caught, what did she do?” Liz asks. “Well, she brought out BleachBit ... a computer program to essentially nuke every piece of information on a piece of technology so that there’s no possibility of any forensic analysis.”

“Lock her up.”

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3 shadow radicals in Mamdani’s inner circle: Plotting to seize property, abolish police, and blame capitalists for ‘terror’



The Democratic Socialists of America may have Democrat in their name and operate as part of the Democratic Party, but they hate the team they play on.

DSA members see the Democratic Party as a cuckoo sees other birds: a means of achieving an end. Just as a cuckoo mother lays her eggs in other species’ nests so that her offspring will be fed and nurtured until her chicks are strong enough to kill the hosts, so the DSA has a parasitic relationship with the Democratic Party.

A video from the watchdog organization Canary Mission describes it like this: “DSA candidates run as Democrats in safe blue districts. They slip through low turnout primaries, and once inside, they use the Democratic label as camouflage while advancing an extremist anti-American agenda far beyond the party's mainstream. ... Once in office, DSA candidates take orders from DSA’s internal enforcers and working groups. City halls and state houses start running as socialist machines controlled by the organization, not the Democratic Party and certainly not voters.”

This kind of hostile takeover is happening right now in New York City, where Muslim democratic socialist Zohran Mamdani is now the mayor.

On this episode of “The Liz Wheeler Show,” Liz exposes three key figures inside the Mamdani administration who are currently working to ensure that the rotten fate of the Big Apple spreads like a cancer across the nation.

Mamdani’s recent appointment of NYC tenant rights activist Cea Weaver as the director of NYC’s Office to Protect Tenants is evidence that a total socialist takeover isn’t fear-driven speculation from the right wing, but the certified plan.

A resurfaced clip from a 2021 DSA event that’s recently gone viral captures Weaver discussing a push for shifts in housing policy: “I think the reality is that for centuries we’ve really treated property as an individualized good and not a collective good, and ... in transitioning to treating it as a collective good and towards a model of shared equity will require that we think about it differently. And it will mean that families, especially white families but some POC families who are homeowners as well, are going to have a different relationship to property than the one that we currently have.”

“That is, in essence, Zohran Mamdani walking down the street and seizing private property, implementing racially biased, racially discriminatory policies that prevent white people specifically from having the same relationship with property (also known as ownership of property) that they have had in the past,” Liz translates.

“[Cea Weaver] will use her position of power to destroy private property, to take it away, despite the fact that her mom, by the way ... owns a $1.6 million house in Tennessee,” she laughs.

But Weaver is just the tip of the iceberg. “[Mamdani] has saturated New York City with DSA members — DSA members who want to orient themselves towards insurrection, who want to overthrow the empire, who believe that you’re not just pushing socialism, you are tearing down a nation built on capitalism,” Liz continues.

One of those people is Alex Vitale — a key adviser on Mamdani’s transition team, specifically for the Committee on Community Safety. Vitale, a Brooklyn College sociology professor and coordinator of the Policing and Social Justice Project, is the author of a book titled “The End of Policing,” in which he argues for the “abolition of police.”

“He has pushed to abolish the New York City Police Department’s gang database. ... And he’s very open about this,” Liz says.

Another deeply concerning member of Mamdani’s administration is a man named Gustavo Gordillo — the co-chair of the New York City chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America. He was a key architect of the chapter’s electoral strategy that helped propel Mamdani’s successful 2025 mayoral campaign, and he now serves on the transition team’s economic development and workforce development committee, advising on policies tied to Mamdani’s economic agenda.

Liz plays a video clip of Gordillo from a 2025 DSA rally spewing the following anti-American vitriol: “They make figures like Hamas and, quote, unquote, terrorists into effective enemies. I think all of us in the working-class movement need to spend more time villainizing too. There are actual terrorists in the United States, but they are not Mahmoud Khalil, nor are they the students and working-class people protesting Israel’s genocide. And it is definitely not the Palestinian people. The terror comes from the capitalists and their pawns. ... The terror comes from their fascist government and their ICE squads.”

“These are the people in the Mamdani administration,” Liz says.

“Remember: Sometimes the most detrimental impacts are from policies that are imposed on us by people whose names we’re not even familiar with.”

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The conspiracy that gave Liz Wheeler ‘chills’: Was there a FIFTH plane on 9/11?



September 11, 2001, remains the most tragic day in American history, but almost a quarter-century later, mysteries surrounding the events of the day have yet to be solved.

And one TMZ documentary that BlazeTV host Liz Wheeler admits shockingly gave her “chills” involves United Flight 23, which was grounded when the World Trade Center was hit. However, the plane may have been another one that hijackers were attempting to weaponize.

“I watched the creepiest — I’m talking chills up and down your arms — documentary recently. The absolute creepiest. It was actually a documentary done by TMZ, believe it or not. I’m not particularly into celebrity gossip,” Wheeler says.

“It’s actually quite a well-done piece of investigative journalism about September 11, 2001,” she adds.


The narrative that the documentary challenges claims that four planes were hijacked by al-Qaeda terrorists on 9/11, and the documentary provides evidence that there was actually a fifth.

“What if I presented evidence to you today that there was actually another plane — another plane that was supposed to be hijacked too? And not only was there another plane that had hijackers on it, but the government found out about it afterward. And so did the airlines. They knew about it. And to this day, they’re covering it up,” Wheeler explains.

The documentary features the claim, according to a flight attendant, that one passenger on the plane was a man who was wearing a burka.

“How would you react if you were on an airline and there was not only a person in a full burka — not just a hijab, a full burka with just the eye slits — but a person with hairy hands, a person that the flight crew were pretty certain was a man?” Wheeler asks.

There was a male “bodyguard” sitting next to the man in the burka, who flight attendants recalled was “sweating profusely.”

But these were not the only Middle Eastern passengers of note aboard the flight.

“So we have four Middle Eastern passengers in first class. Someone, an individual dressed in a full burka with just eye slits. ... The other man in the tan suit was trying to peer into the cockpit using his son as an excuse,” Wheeler explains.

These same passengers argued with the flight crew about taking off quickly instead of being delayed to hand out food.

“As if that’s not creepy enough, once the news broke that the plane was not going to be taking off because the other planes on 9/11 had hit the towers, had hit the Pentagon, these same passengers asked a question of the flight crew,” she continues.

One of them asked, “Did they get the White House?”

Once they were all deplaned and the airport was being evacuated, someone on the ground noticed that there were people back on the aircraft, 20 minutes after the plane was locked.

When it was investigated, it was discovered that the hatches to the plane had been reopened.

“So, what does that mean? Did someone enter the airplane through the floor hatch to remove, I don’t know what, evidence, weapons after everyone exited the plane?” Wheeler asks. “Well, that’s not just a hypothetical question. A weapon that had been planted on a plane was found at JFK.”

When TMZ reached out and even filed a Freedom of Information Act request, the organization was ignored.

“How can you not think that this is a government cover-up?” Wheeler asks, shocked. “The 9/11 commission didn’t even interview the pilot of that plane.”

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Liz Wheeler: New vaccine schedule is a MAJOR win for MAHA moms



According to the updated CDC guidance, the recommended childhood immunization schedule has been drastically reduced — a change BlazeTV host Liz Wheeler says MAHA moms have been fighting for years to see.

“My head is actually still spinning from this news. It took me a couple days to wrap my mind around the implications of what President Trump has done,” Wheeler explains.

“What I’m talking about, of course, is the new recommended childhood immunization schedule from the CDC. Finally, guys, finally. How long have we MAHA moms been waiting for this? Finally that vaccine schedule has been not just slightly altered, but absolutely slashed, ripped to pieces,” she continues.


“To call this a huge decision would be the understatement of the year,” she says, adding, “It’s revolutionary. It’s paradigm shifting. And the argument that I’m going to make today is that this is the most significant thing that President Trump has ever done.”

Wheeler explains that the reason this is such a big deal is because this will have “generational impacts long after President Trump is out of office, long after he’s dead.”

“So this is what happened,” she begins. “The CDC has a committee called ASIP. Now the ASIP committee is supposed to recommend to the CDC, and then of course the HHS at large, supposed to recommend which vaccines should go on the recommended child immunization schedule, or which vaccines not to recommend.”

When ASIP was originally retooled by HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Wheeler explains that he “put a lot of people on there.”

While she was originally very excited about the changes Kennedy made, Americans have had yet to see the impact made by them, until now.

“Now the CDC has taken action to reduce the recommended doses, the recommended vaccine doses for children in the United States from 88 doses — if you can believe that’s how many doses of vaccines were recommended for children and adolescents in our country — they’ve reduced the recommended doses from 88 to 55,” Wheeler says.

“They almost slashed it in half,” she says.

“This is what we voted for,” she adds.

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3 hidden reasons behind Trump's Venezuela strike the media is too clueless to see



On January 3, the United States conducted a military operation dubbed Operation Absolute Resolve in Venezuela. Airstrikes on military targets in and around Caracas enabled forces to capture Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, who has been widely accused of stealing the 2024 election from opponent Edmundo González Urrutia. Maduro now faces federal charges related to narco-terrorism and drug trafficking.

Glenn Beck’s head writer and researcher, Jason Buttrill, a former Defense Department intelligence analyst, is still reeling in excitement from this “watershed” operation, which shockingly took less than three hours from start to finish.

While most commentators are stuck on the obvious, framing the strike as retribution for Maduro’s narco-terrorism, drug trafficking, and alleged election theft; his regime's role in mass migration to the U.S.; and Venezuela’s alliances with Russia and China — or as a big oil heist — this lightning operation hides layers of genius the establishment will never admit.

On this episode of “The Liz Wheeler Show,” Liz and Jason break down three explosive implications of Operation Absolute Resolve.

1. No more excuses for forever wars

Liz, a self-described “anti-neocon,” says this military operation proved that forever wars — prolonged occupations that keep our troops overseas and our tax dollars invested in foreign affairs — are a choice, not a must.

“You should be thanking Trump for this military operation in Venezuela, because all other facts of the reasons why Trump went in Venezuela aside, we are never going to experience forever wars in our country again because the American people … can see so clearly now that they are a deliberate political choice. They are unnecessary,” she argues.

President Trump already razed Iran’s nuclear capabilities in just 12 days with Operation Midnight Hammer back in June 2025. Venezuela is now the second example proving that war can be rapid and still effective.

“There's going to be no excuse ever again for forever wars,” Liz says.

2. U.S. fires cyber warning shot at enemies

Liz then recalls Trump’s comment in the press conference following the Caracas strike. He said, “It was dark. The lights of Caracas were largely turned off due to a certain expertise that we have. It was dark, and it was deadly."

He was hinting at how U.S. forces engineered a massive blackout across much of Caracas and surrounding areas to facilitate the surprise capture of Maduro.

While many countries have been developing cyber attack strategies for years, their programs have largely been kept under wraps. The fact that the U.S. deliberately revealed its cyber capabilities was intended to intimidate other nations, Jason speculates.

“I think it was a threat to the rest of the world that yes, we have this capability. We can completely shut your country down before we go over there. Air defense doesn't really matter because we'll just shut it down and then fly in anyway,” he tells Liz.

Jason assumes that it was specifically a threat against China, whose technologies power Venezuela’s air defense system, and Russia, which supplied the country with the missiles designed to target American warplanes.

“Now it looks like all those systems — foreign, bought by our enemies — were all purchased off of Temu. That's what it looks like. That’s what we did to them,” he laughs.

“There's Chinese military experts operating their air defense systems, Russian experts for the upkeep on their air defense missiles, and then you have the Cuban intelligence apparatus, which is all over the country, that is supposed to be informing everybody about what's going on, and we just sailed right through it.”

3. Oil denial: Starving China’s war machine

While many outlets are framing Operation Absolute Resolve as a means of gaining access to Venezuela's vast oil reserves, Jason says that’s the shallowest reading of the operation.

“Yes, it is about oil, but not in the fact that we want to take the oil. We don't want our adversaries getting their hands on [it],” he says.

By cutting off China's access to Venezuelan (and potentially Iranian) oil while Russian supplies remain heavily sanctioned, the U.S. has severely restricted China's fuel options, making a major military operation — especially invading Taiwan — far more difficult and risky due to potential energy shortages for its armed forces, Jason explains.

“3D chess is what you're describing,” says Liz.

To hear more of the conversation, watch the episode above.

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Never trust the MSM: Vanity Fair Trump admin hit piece only confirms its malice



Vanity Fair’s bombshell profile of White House chief of staff Susie Wiles and other key figures within the Trump administration turned out to be a disingenuously framed hit piece.

"Significant context was disregarded and much of what I, and others, said about the team and the President was left out of the story," Wiles wrote on X. "I assume, after reading it, that this was done to paint an overwhelmingly chaotic and negative narrative about the President and our team."

“If I were President Trump, I would fire whoever let Vanity Fair do this because you could call this an unforced error,” BlazeTV host Liz Wheeler comments on “The Liz Wheeler Show,” pointing out that the photography used was also edited to be incredibly unflattering.

“Look at that picture of Susie Wiles. No one claims she’s a runway model. Like obviously she’s not 20 years old. No one cares about that. But that is obviously a photograph that is deliberately intended to make her look psycho,” Wheeler says.


Vanity Fair also included an extremely close-up photo of Marco Rubio, where according to Wheeler, they “make him look like he’s dying of the plague.”

“That was intentional. It wasn’t an accident. ... They did this on purpose. It was malicious because they’re trying to undermine these people, especially the people who they think might have political careers after President Trump,” she explains.

But it wasn’t just Wiles and Rubio targeted by the magazine. They also included a close-up, heavily edited photo of Karoline Leavitt, who Wheeler says “obviously is a nice-looking person.”

“They are deliberately trying to make her look ugly ... they’re trying to drive a wedge between President Trump and his staff,” she says.

“And I know the president is not naive. He’s not going to let that happen. And honestly, like I said, I know this is going viral on X, but really people should not be that upset about it,” Wheeler says, pointing out that the tactic is “tired.”

“Again, my bigger question is, ‘Who OK'd this interview?’ Like really? Are you an idiot? To give the mainstream media this opportunity to try to attack you, whoever approved it should be fired,” she adds.

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Vanity Fair's Trump hit piece is a ‘nothingburger’ — except for one part



Conservatives are riled up after Vanity Fair released a hit piece on the Trump administration on Tuesday morning. Published in two parts, the article combines months of candid interviews with Trump's chief of staff Susie Wiles, who is quoted saying many brow-raising things about President Trump and fellow Cabinet members.

One particular section of the article is going viral on X. It quotes Wiles claiming Trump has “an alcoholic’s personality,” JD Vance has “been a conspiracy theorist for a decade,” Elon Musk is an “avowed ketamine user,” Russell Vought is a “right-wing absolute zealot,” and Pam Bondi “completely whiffed” in her handling of the Epstein files.

In response to Vanity Fair’s hit piece, Wiles posted the following response.

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BlazeTV host Liz Wheeler confesses she’s not sure why everyone is freaking out about this article.

“This article does not bump my adrenaline or my cortisol up even a notch. ... In a sense, this article is a nothingburger because it just doesn’t matter ... because the mainstream media are liars,” she says.

And that includes Vanity Fair. In this very article, author Chris Whipple called January 6 a “bloody ... assault on the Capitol” that left “nine people” dead.

“What an absolute lie this is,” says Liz.

“One person died on January 6, and that was Ashli Babbitt, who was shot by a Capitol police officer. The others died of natural causes, drug overdoses, suicides in the days and weeks following,” she corrects.

“January 6 protesters killed no one, and yet Vanity Fair would have you believe that this was a bloody, murderous mob. ... That’s just factually wrong, and Vanity Fair knows this.”

The fact that Vanity Fair pushes such propaganda should be enough cause for us to dismiss this article. Further, even if Wiles engaged in office gossip, it doesn’t change the Trump administration’s “operational capacity or success.”

However, there is one section of the article Liz says is interesting and perhaps worth paying attention to, and that is the part where Wiles addresses Attorney General Pam Bondi.

In part two of the article, Whipple notes Wiles’ reaction to the Epstein files, specifically regarding Bondi’s spectacle of passing out “secret” Epstein info binders to certain right-wing political commentators, including Liz — binders that contained nothing of import or interest.

The article quotes Wiles saying, “I think [Pam Bondi] completely whiffed on appreciating that that was a very targeted group that cared about this. First she gave them binders full of nothingness. And then she said that the witness list, or the client list, was on her desk. There is no client list, and it sure as hell wasn’t on her desk.”

Later in the article, Whipple quotes Wiles again: “Whether [Epstein] was an American CIA asset, a Mossad asset, whether all these rich, important men went to that nasty island and did unforgivable things to young girls — I mean, I kind of knew it, but it’s never anything I paid a bit of attention to.”

Liz has long speculated about President Trump’s dismissive attitude about Bondi’s infuriating binders and the Epstein files in general. It seems he’s “underestimated” how much his base cared about the Epstein issue and perhaps Wiles is why.

“Behind the scenes, I know there was some discussion about why President Trump misread his base and particularly who might have been misinforming him about how the base thought about the Epstein files, and at the time, I had some people telling me behind the scenes that is was Susie Wiles,” says Liz, noting that she “never made a big deal about it” because she didn’t have confirmation.

“Well now, this [article] seems to somewhat confirm it — not because of necessarily any malicious motive. But if, in fact, Susie Wiles told Vanity Fair that she underestimated the potency of the Epstein scandal, and it was not something she ever paid attention to, then that somewhat explains President Trump’s dismissal of the entire Epstein scandal,” she adds.

“It sounds to me like Susie Wiles was in his ear telling him that, you know, ‘This will just pass; just let it go.”’

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